Lin Song 00:05
Hey, welcome to the Postdoc Leadership Fellow Podcast. I'm Lin Song, a third year post in Hellen Diller Cancer Center working on lung cancer.
Rachel Rudlaff 00:15
I'm Rachel Rudlaff. I'm a postdoctoral fellow in Bo Huang's Lab.
April Bell 00:19
I'm April Bell. I am a second year postdoc with the California Preterm Birth Initiative.
Oleta Johnson 00:25
And I am Oleta Johnson. I am a third year postdoc, also at the Mission Bay campus, working in Sandler Neurosciences building. And in this series, our goal is to promote community at UCSF by connecting you to resources that are important for being a postdoc.
April Bell 00:49
In this episode, we're here with Ariel Deardoff from the UCSF library. We hope you enjoy the podcast. So, I'm April Bell, one of the UCSF Postdoctoral Leadership Fellows. I'm a second year postdoc with the Preterm Birth Initiative in the department of OB/GYN.
Oleta Johnson 01:12
Hi, everyone. My name is Oleta Johnson. I am a third year postdoc at UCSF and also a Postdoc Leadership Fellow and we have a really special guest, Ariel, from the library to talk to us about the library and how the library can be such an important resource for postdocs. So, Ariel, like, do you want to introduce yourself?
Ariel Deardorff 01:37
Thank you, Oleta. Yeah. So, my name is Ariel Deardorff. I am the Data Services librarian here at the UCSF library. I've been in this position for about five years now. And, so, today, I'm really excited to come and talk about not only some of our kind of data, data science services, but also some of the other services that we offer for the postdoc community.
April Bell 01:57
That's great. We're excited to hear about it. So, can you tell us and our listeners about your office, give us a short description and how you serve postdocs?
Ariel Deardorff 02:06
Yeah, sure. So, I think the library is a really great resource for postdocs. So, in addition to our collections, you know, obviously we buy things like books, ebooks, journals, we have databases, historical materials, we have drug industry documents, there's a really rich collection. Um, but we also have a lot of very specialized services and teams that teach classes and offer free consultations. So, these are on topics like data science, biostatistics, data management, organization, literature, searching, publishing, open science, and lots more. And all of that is free, and really available to postdocs. And then, additionally, when we're not in, you know, pandemic times, we also have some beautiful library spaces. So, we have spaces at the Mission Bay and Parnassus campus, as well as ZSFG. And, so, these are places where you can come connect with a colleague over a cup of coffee, you can work quietly, to really, you know, get something done, work on that grant, or, you know, we even have a makers lab at our Parnassus campus where you can use a 3D printer or a sewing machine. So, I'm going to right now and as we're recording this, in August, we, we're not fully open. But you know, we do have a reopening plan that we're working on for the fall.
April Bell 03:23
That sounds fantastic. Lots of resources available to postdocs. You mentioned consultations, how do folks schedule these consultations?
Ariel Deardorff 03:32
Yeah, so if you go to our website, which is library.ucsf.edu, you can see a tab that's called Ask an Expert. And it kind of goes through all the different areas of expertise that we have. So I mentioned, you know, data science, or Literature Searching, if you click on any of those, you'll see, you know, kind of the people that are available to meet with you. And all of us are available for consultation. So you can just quickly book a consultation. They range from about 30 to, 30 minutes to an hour, and they're all free. The barrier to entry is very, very low. So, you know, you're not signing up to have us be on your grant, you know, it's really just like, "Oh, I have a question," or like, "Oh, man, I do not know how to find, you know, good articles in PubMed," or something, please do reach out, and we're happy to chat with you.
Oleta Johnson 04:19
That's awesome. And something that I think is so underrated and I think maybe a lot of people just don't know that this resource is exists or how to engage with it. And I think another thing that makes it kind of weird, especially when you're new to someplace, I think sometimes reaching out to people or certain offices or, you know, the library could just feel really scary because it's like, what is this infrastructure? And I think part of what we really want to do is humanize the people that work at all the offices that would be relevant to postdocs. And so to that end, I would love to hear a little bit about what drew you to UCSF and kind of to your current position.
Ariel Deardorff 05:01
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, just to go back to what you were saying a little bit earlier, too, I think that often people feel nervous contacting us, or they feel like they have to have some kind of big project, or they, so many people will say, like, Oh, I hate to bother you. And it's like, this is literally my job is to, like, meet with people and, and help you. So you're not bothering me at all. Like, that's, that's what I'm here for. And I think that is kind of one of the things that drew me to UCSF is it's such a like, engaging place, there's so much going on. And you know, both kind of at a micro level within the library where we're relatively small compared to, you know, like the library at Berkeley, for example, which means that we get to do a lot of kind of collaboration across our teams. And we get to work really closely with each other. And we also get to collaborate with people all across campus. So you know, I might be working with a postdoc from kind of a basic science lab. And then maybe in the afternoon, I have a one on one consultation with someone who's, you know, working on a nursing project. And it's a really different kind of work and project. But it's really fun for me to get to kind of learn all about, you know, what they're working on, and really see that kind of cutting edge research in action. So that's, you know, some of the things that drew me to UCSF.
Oleta Johnson 06:14
And how did you get involved with working in library systems just in general? Like, how, what did that trajectory look like?
Ariel Deardorff 06:22
Yeah, so, I actually worked at the campus library when I was an undergrad at the University of Washington and I worked at the very cutting edge microfiche and microfilm department. So, this is, you know, literally like looking at old newspapers on like, tiny cards and film. So, that wasn't like, the most exciting thing, but what was exciting was get getting to work with all different kinds of researchers on their questions. So, people come in and say, everything from like, I'm trying to do, you know, I'm trying to learn more about the experience of Japanese Americans during internment and what that looked like, and are like, are there original interviews, articles about that, from, you know, the Japanese perspective back in the day, and you know, we had those papers, and we could look through it to someone who's like, my grandma was in the paper, and I, you know, 50 years ago, and I want to find that article. So, it was really fascinating to kind of get a chance to do this kind of research. So, that's what kind of put me on the path to libraries. And then when I was getting my master's in information science, I also learned a lot more about kind of medical libraries, and you know, the importance of, you know, evidence based practice in medicine, and really making it easier for people to find data and find evidence that supports their practice. And through grad school, I also had a chance to, to work at the NIH campus at the National Library of Medicine. And that's kind of where I learned more about kind of the new kinds of big data in biomedicine and brought me a little bit more into that kind of data science side of libraries. And that's a pretty new kind of thing in libraries. And probably most people aren't aware that we have, you know, a pretty good data science team at our library. So, you know, we teach classes on programming, on biostatistics on, you know, working with data, analyzing data, visualizing it. So, that's something that I'm really passionate about, because I think it's a big gap in kind of what many of our folks have, you know, maybe didn't learn in grad school, but they're really being asked to engage with that now. So, that's kind of an exciting area to be in. So, it's a bit of a windy path. But that's, that's how I got here.
April Bell 08:23
What do postdocs most commonly come to see you all about?
Ariel Deardorff 08:27
Yeah, so it really varies. So, you know, if you're, you know, some people come because they're working on, you know, a grant, and they need help with a literature search for that grant. They're like, am I pulling the, you know, right articles. So, they might come and say, like, "Hey, can you help me set up a search?" Or "Are these the best articles to include?" As the Data Services librarian, I work with folks kind of across what I call the research data lifecycle. So, everything from "I need help accessing this large public data set," you know, "What paperwork do I need to sign?" Like, "How do I store this data?" Or, you know, I am, "I've got a lot of data from a lot of projects, and I'm really having trouble keeping track of everything. So like, can you work with me to come up with a better system for organizing this kind of managing this?" Or, you know, more and more folks are being asked to publish their data when they go to publish their paper. So they, you know, they might come to me and say, "Hey, you know, my journal is saying that I need to make this data public, like, what does that mean? Where should I put it? What are some of our kind of requirements around that?" So, those are the kinds of questions that I generally work with postdocs on. But you know, there's there's a lot of other stuff going on in the library as well.
April Bell 09:33
I'm just gonna like throw my support out there for that. You all have been tremendously helpful when I've been doing literature searches and trying to like hone my search terms and make sure I'm searching the rights databases and stuff. And once I realized "April, just ask for help." It made things go so much more smoothly than it was me just trying to figure it out myself. So I 100% support anybody who needs that kind of help coming to you all because it is such a time saver but also like an anxiety reducer, because you all the experts and are really good at pointing us to the right types of sources.
Ariel Deardorff 10:09
Well, that's, that's really exciting and great to hear. And, you know, I think that's what's something we really try to emphasize is that, you know, you all are experts in your topics and your science but you know, you don't have to be experts in searching or, you know, organization or kind of all of these other areas. Like, that's where we can come in and kind of partner with you on some of these things. And, and really do, you know, think of us as potential kind of collaborators or people you can bounce ideas off of, it's not like, we're gonna scold you, because you don't know how to do like the perfect PubMed search, like, that's why we have people who are experts on that so that we can collaborate.
Oleta Johnson 10:40
This all sounds incredible. And I think even just listening to this conversation, I realized that as a basic scientist who's like, in the lab, we're kind of indoctrinated that like, oh, everything that we have, especially now and like the age of the internet, and like online journals, like you should be able to just go to like JOCS, or Science or Cell and just find what you need, right? But I also heard you say a lot of things about support in kind of data science and data organization. And I think a misconception that I definitely have had is that, oh, the library is like the place that has like some books and maybe some computers and like, maybe some old journals, and like, what does that have to do with me when I like need lab things, right? And so I really love that you said that. And I was wondering if there any other misconceptions that you find postdocs have when they come to the library? Or people at the library for support?
Ariel Deardorff 11:37
Yeah, I mean, I think that what you mentioned about kind of old stuff in the library is, is definitely a misconception. And this idea that like what you see when you're in the building is kind of all there is, when, you know, really, these days, so much of what we're purchasing for campus is digital. So, whether it's, you know, we have so many eBooks that people can take advantage of, all of our, you know, collections, not all of them, but many of them these days are digital. And people also don't realize that when they're on campus, and they're, you know, you're going to Science or Nature directly, they're able to get all of those, because we subscribe to them, you know, these are not free, the library pays, you know, quite a lot of money for all of these things. And the fact that it's so easy for you to access them is because, you know, you're, you've been signed in because you're on campus, or if you're off campus, you're signing in through MyAccess. So there is a lot of work that kind of goes along behind the scenes to like provide access to all of that stuff. So, that's kind of one misconception. Yeah. And then I think the other kind of broader thing is that, oh, the library, you know, they have, they have books, and maybe they can help me like find, find books or articles. But, you know, we do have a lot of really specialized services here that are not always available. So, I mentioned data science, we have our Makers Lab, which is pretty unique. But we also have a lot of really specific collections. So, I mentioned, you know, archives, we also have the industry documents collection, which is kind of nationally famous at this point, has all kinds of collections from you know, the tobacco industry, from the sugar industry, from opioid industry, that are like, kind of internal memos from different corporations. And these have been used by like lawyers and researchers kind of all across the country, because it's pretty fascinating to read, you know, internal memos from tobacco folks that say, like, well, we know these cause cancer, but like, how can we keep advertising them anyways? Or like, how can we get kids addicted to this stuff? You know, that's like, whoa, and you know, we have that, and it really makes it, there's some really fascinating research projects that have come from that. So, there's just a wealth of stuff available at the library. And we're, you know, really excited to get people connected to that. So, whether, you know, you want to do primary source research on those kinds of things. Or if you're a lab scientist, and you want to learn more about, you know, organizing your lab protocols, you want to get connected with a tool like Protocols.io, you know, we can help with a lot of different things like that.
Oleta Johnson 13:59
Totally, and I'll just add, I'll do my plug. When I first got here, I took an Introduction to R class through the library. And, like a little Python, I knew a little bit of Python. So, I took an updated class, and they were so, so extremely helpful. So, so many resources outside of just the normal like you go, you check out a book kind of misconception about what the library looks like, and what the library is.
Ariel Deardorff 14:28
That's great.
April Bell 14:30
Along those lines, you all did a workshop on OpenRefine to do data cleaning, and again, something I didn't know anything about. I saw on the library website, and I was like, wow, that looks pretty cool. And my goodness, if you have to clean data, that is the way to go. Because it makes it so easy to do. So. Yeah. Again, just want to reiterate that there are things beyond books and journal articles that the library brings to the table. Hi, April Bell here, I hope you're enjoying this episode, if you are sure to check out the website for the postdoc office at postdocs.ucsf.edu to keep up with the latest resources, events, and programming to build community among postdocs, and to help attain your research and career goals. Also, I encourage you to reach out to any Postdoctoral Leadership Fellow, if you have any questions about what you're hearing in this episode, or if there's anything else you'd like to hear. And now back to the podcast. So one question that I have--you talked about all these resources that you all have, and if people are listening to this and unsure about whether they should come and talk to you or hesitant about contacting you, like, what would you say to them to encourage them?
Ariel Deardorff 15:51
I think that just keep remembering that, like, the barrier to entry is very, very low. So, you know, there are other consultation services on campus that you know, charge a fee, where it's, it's more setup like this is a going to be somebody that you write into your grant or something like, they're going to do the statistics for your project. And, we're not like that. So I think of us as the people you come to to, like, get connected with resources, or get you started on something, or teach you the basics of something or, you know, get you kind of going. We're not gonna sit with you and provide like five hours of in-depth, you know, help, we really do want to be kind of the the first place that you turn to even if your question is just like, "Should I use PubMed? Or should I use this other database?" Or like, "Hey, what's the best place to get started learning Python?" Or, you know, "Can you recommend a tool to do XYZ?" Like, these are all the kinds of questions that we, you know, are happy to answer. And if you don't know who to contact, if you're like, oh, I don't know, there's different teams, I don't know which team, first of all, like, I'm happy to chat with any postdocs. So, they can always just email me, and then I can like, put you in touch with the right person in the library, it's sometimes a little hard to figure out who to chat with. But you know, I can, I'm happy to connect people.
Oleta Johnson 17:00
That's awesome. And I think again, another thing that can be really scary about coming to a new place is feeling like oh, man, like I don't know, the right person to contact and like what if I'm like bothering this person, because it's not their job, or like, I don't want to be on a wild goose chase. So, I think it's really important. And I think it's really important that it's come out in a number of the interviews we've done for these podcasts that people are truly invested in making it easy for postdocs to accomplish the things that they want to accomplish. And so I'm thinking now, I am a new postdoc, I'm listening to this right now. And I'm like, okay, yeah, this all sounds really good. But like, I just like, barely got access to the lab. So when would you recommend that a new postdoc get in contact with the library? Or maybe engage in like, some events through the library?
Ariel Deardorff 17:49
Yeah, that's a good question. So, you know, I think that first of all, anyone who's new and who's like, really keen, can always email me and we could just chat, you know? Like I can, we could do like a 30 minute, if you want, like the spiel of the library, or if you have some questions, or, you know, I can give you an overview, I'm always happy to do something like that, at any point. Probably a good thing to do early on, is to sign up for one of the library newsletters. So, if you're, you go to the main library website, you can scroll all the way to the bottom, there's like a little link that says, sign up for the newsletters, you can sign up for one, we send it out once a month. And that just gives you a sense of kind of like what's happening. So, what are some of the classes? How can you get engaged, just so you have a sense of like, what's going on? And then, you know, in terms of when, obviously, you know, you want to get a little time to get settled in your, in your lab, know, what's what's going on what you're working on. But you know, really, at any point, if you have questions, you can reach out, you know, it, it doesn't have to be I've got all my ducks in a row, I'm, I have a full proposal, I need this, like very specific thing. You can say early on, like, "Hey, you know, I'm thinking about doing this thing. Is this the right approach?" Or maybe you you have a question about, you know, the statistics, you want to do a statistical consultation. And looking at this test, or this test doesn't seem like the right way to do this? Or, you know, for me, if you're talking about anything with data, earlier is generally better. So, "Hey, I'm starting this new project, I think I'm going to be working with this data. Do you have any advice for how I should I organize it? Or maybe where I should keep it? What's the best like storage tool at UCSF or maybe some, you know, tools that I could use to like, analyze it down the road." So, you know, it kind of depends on the kinds of questions you have, but, you know, any any time but you know, if you can do it earlier, that's probably good as well.
April Bell 19:32
Great, so when a postdoc does come to see, or participates on one of the events put on by the library. How do you want them to feel when they when they leave or after they meet with you?
Ariel Deardorff 19:42
Ideally, I think you would feel pretty energized. That's, that's how I, you know, try to leave the folks that I worked with is feeling like you have, you know, you know what the next step is, so you've you've got resources that you can look into, maybe there's an article that you want to read that will kind of, you know, tell you how to do a specific thing, or it's like, oh, this is a method I was looking into, Oh, great. Now I have another place to go. Or here's a bunch of, here's a search string that I can use. When I've had a good consultation, I feel really energized, like, yeah, we got there. They know what they're gonna explore next, they kind of know that their question has been maybe not completely addressed, but they know kind of like, where to go next. So hopefully, you're leaving with some energy.
Oleta Johnson 20:26
That sounds great. I mean, I'm energized already, just from this conversation. Truly, and I mean, so many things that you said, I think will resonate with a lot of postdocs, and a lot of researchers in general, just thinking about, you know, just being really interested in the things that we're doing wanting to make innovations in the spaces that we're working in wanting to be really collaborative and learning from each other. And I think that is a really important part of UCSF culture. And so I think, with that in mind, I'm wondering, what would you say your favorite part of your current role, your current job at UCSF is?
Ariel Deardorff 21:08
Yeah, I think it really is being able to meet so many different kinds of people and kind of learn about their research. For example, I met with someone a couple weeks ago who was working on fluorescence microscopy, and I was like, I've heard that, but I do not know what that is. And they were like, let's talk about, you know, the kinds of data that comes from that. And, you know, are there standards for that, and I was, like, great, I can do some research, I'll get back to you. So, you know, I was able to kind of, you know, I'm diving into the literature, I'm using my search skills to really see like, are there data standards for this kind of data, are there ways of kind of organizing this or gathering this data that this person can use, so that they're not just kind of making it all up as they go along. So, that was just like one example of a, of an area that I didn't really know anything about, but was able to kind of learn a lot about and, and have a really great conversation with this person, where they, you know, were connected to resources on that topic. So, you know, that's just one example. But I really love that, you know, I never really know what I'm gonna get to work on next in terms of, you know, the topic. So, that's something that I think is really fun and energizes me.
Oleta Johnson 22:16
So, I was wondering if you've learned, or if there's anything through your experience that you you've learned, or any ways that you engage with postdocs that you didn't necessarily expect when you first stepped into the role?
Ariel Deardorff 22:29
That's a good question. I think, you know, before I came here, I didn't really have a good sense of postdocs as a community. And, you know, I think that, unlike other universities, obviously, UCSF has a much, much larger postdoc community. So, what I'm excited about that I've seen here is that we do think about postdocs a lot more than other libraries do. So, you know, many other places I've worked, it's very focused on students, or faculty, and postdocs don't really fit in either of those boxes. So, what I've liked here is that we do try to think really carefully about who our audiences are and that, you know, the postdoc community is a huge part of our audience. And it's a community that can often feel maybe a little bit isolated, you're here for, you know, a year, two, three, and you're maybe, you know, one of two postdocs in a tiny lab or something. And, so, I think something we've tried to do is think about how we can kind of build community with that group and, and think about, you know, reaching out to people and really saying, like, hey, we can be a resource. We're trying to build these little mini communities around different topics to kind of bridge that gap a little bit. But, you know, I think we're really excited to work with postdocs, and you guys are so important to our campus. So that's, that's one thing that I've really liked about being here at UCSF.
April Bell 23:43
Thanks so much for chatting with us. But before we let you go have one last question. You know, a lot of postdocs are new to the Bay Area. And so what are some recommendations that you have the things to do?
Ariel Deardorff 23:56
Yeah, so I'm a real kind of outdoorsy person and so I love all the parks that are here in San Francisco. I think one of my favorites is the Presidio. If people haven't ventured out to the Presidio yet, it's just it's got some beautiful walks you can, there's a big kind of open lawn space that's really green, you can sit there and do a picnic or kind of walk around through kind of mini forests are down on the beach, it's often quite foggy. So if you're hoping for sun, you should check the weather in advance because it's possible that it will be completely fogged in but I think it's just a really beautiful part of the city and just you know, exploring the beaches and some of the other parks as well. Obviously, Golden Gate Park is is huge, and it's really fun to walk around. So, that's one of my favorite things to do is like, okay, where can I get a fun like brunch or coffee, and then like walk around a park or walk around a park and then treat myself to a brunch or something like that. There's a lot of fun opportunities to do that in the city.
April Bell 24:57
Any recommendations for specific places for that brunch?
Ariel Deardorff 25:01
Okay, so there, there's a place in the Presidio, and I can never remember what it's called. It's like, like, can't remember. But you know, there's only so many restaurants that are like actually in the Presidio. So, look at that list. And I've been to a lot of them. And actually, many of them are quite good. So probably any of them would be fine for brunch, they'd sometimes open late, so check the hours as well. But yeah, they're all pretty good. So going to one of those, and then like, walking around is a pretty fun afternoon.
Oleta Johnson 25:30
April, I want to pose that question to you. Do you have any recommendations?
April Bell 25:35
Yes, I live in the East Bay. And so I like to go to the Joaquin Miller Park in Oakland to take hikes. I am not like a super hiker. So usually I'm on the easier trails, but it's nice to get out into nature. And it's right there in Oakland, like you don't really have to go far. Some of the places I like to go to I mean, I live in Alameda. And so in Alameda, there's a beach that's at the end of Park Street. And so, often on the weekends, people are out there with their kids playing volleyball, so you could just kind of go there and sit and chill. There are lots of places to eat on Park Street, like any kind of food you want, you can get. So you can kind of make a day of it. Lot of people do that. Another thing that I like to do is go to the to Lake Merrit in Oakland and take a walk around. Again, I like to do mainly because it's a great place to people watch, like you see everybody, there's an area of the park where like all the roller skaters are. And, you know, some of them are like really, really good roller skaters, and some not so good. There are places where people are feeding the ducks. So if you walk around the whole lake, you get quite a view of like the makeup of Oakland. So, those are some things I really like to do.
Ariel Deardorff 26:50
That's fun! Yeah, I love Alameda. Recently, if folks haven't done this, there's a little ferry that goes from the San Francisco Ferry Building over to Alameda and to Jack London Square in Oakland. And that's like a really fun little excursion if you don't want to have to drive over or take the BART.
April Bell 27:08
And if you pick a sunny day, it's beautiful. It's I mean, even on an overcast day, it's beautiful. But on a sunny day. It's gorgeous. And you're like, this is why people live here. And when you're on the ferry, then you're like, this is why people live here in the Bay Area. So now, Oleta, we're posing that question to you.
Oleta Johnson 27:26
All right. Let's see. So, I have lived in the city and I now live in the East Bay. So, I'm going to try and give recommendations for both. Farmers markets. I think the Ferry Building Farmers Market is a big one. And then there's, I know there's one not too far from Parnassus campus that's okay. But my personal favorite farmers market in the city is the Alemany farmers market. It is like no frills. There's like no fancy, like craft coffee or anything. But it is the most incredible produce, like the first time I went, I like went with one of my roommates, and I had like a bunch of vegetables and I was like, "Okay, how much is this?" And they were like $10 And I was like no, no, no for all of it. And they were like, yes, $10. And and it was just like amazing. So, like, highly recommend that. Also, one of my favorite ramen places. So, this is going to be controversial is Ushi Taro, which is on Ninth Street, I believe like near Parnassus campus in the Sunset, they have beef based ramen, and you can get like the bone with the marrow, so like if you are a carnivore you might love it. And in the East Bay, barbecue, Smoking Woods barbecue is incredible. Highly recommend and on the nature front, Tilden Park so I live in Berkeley right now. So, very close to Tilden, and Tilden is an incredible place to like escape, but you're not that far away, but you feel like you are. So those are my recommendations.
Ariel Deardorff 28:59
Now I'm so hungry. That's so many a good recommendation.
April Bell 29:04
And so ready to get to a farmers market. One that you didn't mention was the one by Lake Merritt in Oakland. It's on Saturdays, right?
Oleta Johnson 29:13
Yeah, I think it is. I've actually never been to that farmers market yet. But, maybe?
April Bell 29:17
Yeah, they have people with plants, they have selling plants. They have, you know, hot food. But again, I personally like to go there. Because I like to people watch and you get to see like people from all walks of life there with their kids, with their dog. I even saw somebody walk in a cat one time, which I thought was interesting. So, you just see all types. But with that, Ariel we will not keep you any longer. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. And we hope that this is going to help postdocs really settle into UCSF and take advantage of things are in place. And I think one major takeaway from this is that folks at the library want to help postdocs, and the only way they can do that is if postdocs reach out. So, hopefully, folks will take that away from this podcast. I don't know if you have any last words you want to share with us before we sign off.
Ariel Deardorff 30:06
No, I just wanted to say thank you so much for inviting me to come on and and chat a little bit about the library. And yeah, I'm totally open to meeting with people. So thanks again.
Oleta Johnson 30:16
And I will just leave by saying thank you Ariel, again for your time and for the knowledge you've dropped upon us today. Thank you, April, for your contributions in organizing this and really moderating this, and I really encourage any postdoc listening to reach out, we really want you to know that, you know, you can reach out to any of us if you have any questions, we're humans, we're not scary. And I think one of the beautiful things about UCSF, that I think is actually very special and unique is that most people here like overwhelmingly just want to help you be the best version of yourself, and the best researcher that you can be whatever that looks like for you. And I think going into any situation, feeling that as a guiding principle just makes everything less scary, and it makes everything we do just that much better.
April Bell 31:15
Thank you for listening to the Postdoc Leadership Fellows podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. But more than that, we hope that it was helpful to you.
Oleta Johnson 31:23
And if it was helpful to you, we encourage you to share this with any postdoc that you think might find this information useful.
Rachel Rudlaff 31:33
As a reminder, you can contact us at any time you can find our information on the Office of postdoctoral scholars website, and you can also reach out to the postdoc office.
Lin Song 31:44
Thank you so much to listen to this episode.